Live Streaming Now: The virtual grand reveal of the Disney Treasure

cjkeating51 minutes ago

Ah yes, I don't think I explained myself vey well. When I said the Wish deck was a carbon copy of the original ships I was referring to the theming. As I said in my main post the original 4 ships have an overarching nautical/ocean liner theme which makes sense with the deck as it it fits that theme perfectly. The Wish meanwhile has it's loose theme of 'Castle on the Sea' as the Imagineers called it yet there is NOTHING on the top deck to suggest Castle on the Sea, it just randomly goes full on nautical. And then the IPs that are used like Toy Story or Mickey and Minnie (I can't remember what else) have nothing to do with Castle on the Sea. Also yes, the layout of the top decks is shocking. If you've been on it and been on the original ships you'll know what I mean. So many steps, so many levels, dead ends, you can't access all levels from all parts of the ship. This then transfers to how it impacts on the indoor areas that link to the top deck. I dislike with a passion how the front elevators dump you out into the quick service food area, I'd hate to be in the rooms around here as it's so hot and can small of food, I saw so many people sat inside by the elevators eating food due to a lack of seating and discarded plates etc. And then at the back of the ship the entrance to the adult dining area I never worked out... it's kind of via the older kids clubs/the sports area? Which is really not the vibe for going for an adult only fancy meal. Honestly I would pay out of my own pocket to give some Imagineers a guided tour of the Wish to highlight to them things they really need to avoid on whatever the design is of their next 4 US based ships which please to god are not just stretched Wish class. And yes the adult area is a disaster.

HauntedPirate4 hours ago

I wouldn't call the top deck of the Wish a carbon copy of any of the previous 4 ships. Those have an actual adult area, whereas the Wish designers chose to cram in a small adult area at the front of the ship, almost as an "Oops, we forgot about this, let's put it... here". Not to mention the enclosed sports area taking up a decent chunk of ship real estate. I haven't bothered to look into sizing between the sports court on the first 4 vs. the enclosed area on the Wish, so maybe the enclosing makes it feel larger than it actually is.

cjkeating2 days ago

I do think the Treasure is looking better than the Wish in many places, however one thing to remember is all of the venues that haven't been updated, they are all the same and many had issues that can't be fixed due to the design of the ship. I think for many people it is the balance... the original ships certainly are Disney... the stage shows, restaurants, entertainment, characters but they are often put in less overtly Disney settings. Remember the overarching theme of the ships was nautical/ocean liner but with a Disney twist. It was very much the Eisner way of Disney. I think the problem with the Star Wars Lounge was that it was themed badly... which left people wanting more. The top decks for me are a huge issue on the Wish class.. they are mostly carbon copies of the original ships are don't work at all. I have a feeling we had a discussion about this before but whether or not the restaurants are better is subjective... I personally found the Marvel and Frozen restaurants loud, cramped and unpleasant and have seen many similar comments online. With people having increasing number of sensory issues I am surprised Disney took this path. The Wish is themed like what the parks are becoming... disjointed IP jigsaws. The classic ships were Ocean Liner with Disney which gave it a lot of room for maneuver on making Disney IP work. The new ships are Disney on a cruise ship and I don't think they are able to be immersive like the parks can be, the focus on the names 'Wish/Treasure/Destiny' just creates so many contradictions as well.

Two Ears3 days ago

I would like to know how anyone could define the bars, top deck of the ship, atrium as heavy disney theming. They simply aren't. They are lightly themed. One of the main complaints of the star wars lounge is that it wasn't themed enough. And it was easily the most themed bar on the wish. The only areas that are heavily themed on the wish class are the kids club (which kids love and so do most adults) and 2 of the 3 restaurants (which are also far better for it). That's it. Nothing else. This idea that disney wish is heavily themed is simply inaccurate. It's based on a relative comparison with the old ships and not an objective independent assessment. Read reviews of the older ships outside disney forums and the major complaint is those ships don't look like disney outside character meets and shows. The ships simply look like old Ocean liners that could be made by anyone. The disney wish class now look like ships actually owned by disney but are lightly themed overall. Certainly not heavily themed like the parks. And what exactly is wrong with heavily themed anyway?

JMcMahonEsq3 days ago

I am curious leaving aside personal taste, why wouldn’t Disney want to lean into more heavy Disney Theming for its ships? I mean they are trying to break in and now grab market share in the cruise industry. They need something that sets them apart from other options, and leveraging their IP seems the logical choice. It’s not price, as from comparisons I have done, more established commercial lines like royal caribean have better comparable price points. It’s not variety/options as right now the more established lines have bigger ships, a bigger fleet, and more offerings as far as trips and destinations. It’s not going to be the class/luxury option either as there are premium cruise lines that do that better, and given the younger/child demographic that Disney has, your likely not going to go that route (i am as big a park Disney/ip but as you can get, and while this ship might get me to try it, I have never been able to pull trigger as other lines are cheaper and like the late/great comedian John Pinnette said, “if it don’t have a buffet and a casino it ain’t sea worthy.” So given all that, isn’t what sets a Disney Cruise apart for all the other options…Disney? Why wouldn’t you play to your strength. I mean personal taste aside, it seems strange to want to spend money on a Disney trip, but then say I don’t like it, it feels too Disney for me

Disone3 days ago

I mostly agree except for I probably would have said the first four ships are themed in a classy way. The wish is themed to Disney Disney Disney. And If I'm to be honest with myself, I think the Treasure is too but it's just doing a much better job of it. Honestly the grand parlor, The haunted Mansion lounge, the Skipper society, and even the 20K bar, all look significantly better than their artist renderings making me wonder if iger decided to loosen the purse strings just a little bit to ensure that the ship did better than the Wish? But yes it's definitely a case of Disney Disney Dizzy;) versus classic theme. I too prefer the classic theme (but I'm still very excited for the treasure. )

JMcMahonEsq4 days ago

I don't think its all that hard to understand. The DCL ship IS the product that people are spending their time on and experiencing when on a cruise. Given the longer history and in some cases better price points of more traditional cruise lines, DCL needs to give people a reason to choose their ships over others. The themeing is that reason. To relate it to the land experience, the themeing of the ship, restaurants, rooms, ect ARE the attractions. On land, the Disney hotel rooms are NOT the attractions, the parks are. People already have a reason to choose on property hotels vs off property ones already outside of the theming, given easy access to parks, early entry, and other bonuses that make them preferable over off site other properties. While on a cruise the ideal for the company is keeping people on ship, using their facilities, Disney wants people in the parks. Most Disney hotels are not set up as all inclusive/resort type areas where they are looking to hold people on property. So they are putting the theming where they think they get the most ROI.

CraftyFox4 days ago

They're a little on-the-nose but I think they're tastefully done. The paintings are pretty derivative though. I do like that they kept the Winchester Mansion inspired stained glass window!

Andrew C4 days ago

So far thoughts are that this definitely looks a lot better than the Wish. Obviously the layout is the layout for the most part so not much you can do there. Interested in seeing what other differences there will be. I am digging the look of Sarabi. And Skipper Society.

HauntedPirate4 days ago

Having been on all 5 currently sailing DCL ships, the older ships are themed in a classy way. The newer ships are more heavily themed to "Disney, Disney, DISNEY!!!". This is indisputable, but you're going to disagree like you always do. You and I are never, EVER going to agree on DCL or theming, so it's best that you do not engage with my posts.

peng4 days ago

Really impressed with the Haunted Mansion bar, the Star Wars one barely made an effort to be one as if you removed the viewport, it wouldn't really be one. They went above and beyond with this one.

Two Ears4 days ago

Heavily themed is much better then the lack of theming on the old ships. and they arent actually heavily themed. They are just themed in quite a classy way.

Disone4 days ago

Literally! But it also looks to be much better executed than the original. I was totally ready to be underwhelmed like I was with the original. So far the reality seems to be actually better than the artist renderings. While I'm a fan of marvel. I'm not sure dedicating an entire Disney ship to it was the way to go so I'm not sure how excited I am for the destiny. So I think treasure is going to turn out to be the crown Jewel of the wish class.

HauntedPirate4 days ago

And by “heavily themed”, you mean “beat you over the head every other second that you’re on a Disney ship”, correct? We can thank former Master Ship Builder Bob for that. And really both Bob’s, since one or the other had to sign off on these.